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    Post by Peel Fan Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:02 pm

    The regular season wrapped up today and 12 teams qualified for the playoffs, the top two in each division. The 6 first place teams will be seeded 1-6 by the coaches and the 6 second place teams will be seeded 7-12 by the coaches. If I have my tie-breakers correct, the teams are:

    1st Place Teams
    Leger 7-0
    D'Youville 7-0
    Notre Dame 6-1
    Lorne Park 6-0
    Cawthra 6-0
    Father Goetz 6-0

    2nd Place Teams
    Campion 6-1
    Aquinas 6-1
    Turner 5-1 (one game not reported)
    Loyola 5-1
    Glenforest 4-2 (beat Applewood head-to-head)
    Carmel 5-1

    Based on past habits of coaches, records, and quality of tournament play, I predict the following order:

    1. D'Youville
    2. Leger
    3. Goetz
    4. Lorne Park
    5. Cawthra
    6. Notre Dame
    7. Campion
    8. Aquinas
    9. Carmel
    10. Loyola
    11. Turner
    12. Glenforest

    The playoff match-ups would then be:

    1st Round
    Cawthra - Glenforest
    Notre Dame - Turner
    Campion - Loyola
    Aquinas - Carmel

    2nd Round
    D'Youville - Aquinas/Carmel
    Leger - Campion/Loyola
    Goetz - Notre Dame/Turner
    Lorne Park - Cawthra

    Just like last year you can see that the best intentions of the rule-makers will lead to an imbalance in the early round playoff match-ups. Last year, it was the second round match between what many people thought were the top two teams in Peel and also allowing a weaker team to be the second ROPSSAA AAAA rep. This year, it looks like three of the top 6 teams in Peel are all grouped together in the same quarter-final path. I know the current format saves on travel but I wish they would bring back tiered league play. It might help distribute things a little better.

    My predictions are:

    1st round
    Cawthra over Glenforest
    Notre Dame over Turner
    Campion over Loyola
    Aquinas over Carmel

    2nd Round
    D'Youville over Aquinas
    Campion over Leger (in a reverse of their league result; just a hunch that I know will be criticized)
    Goetz over Notre Dame
    Lorne Park over Cawthra

    Semi-Finals
    D'Youville over Lorne Park
    Campion over Goetz

    Final
    D'Youville over Campion
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    Post by coachblue Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:18 pm

    Peel Fan: I think those are some excellent, well-thought-out predictions...


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    Post by CoachB Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:57 pm

    According to the ROPSSAA scores website, Notre Dame is 7-0 with 397 PF and 76 PA!
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    Post by Peel Fan Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:01 pm

    Notre Dame also plays in a very weak division. When they attended the Rimrocker, they were 0-3. IMO, while they will likely be the 6th seed, they are probably no better than the 9th or 10th best team in Peel.
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    Post by coachblue Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:30 am

    Peel Fan: You should join our seeding committee..


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    Post by HooptownGTA Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:26 am

    coachblue,

    When do the seedings come out for the Peel Region playoffs?


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    Post by coachblue Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:08 pm

    TIER 1

    FIRST ROUND MATCHUP DATE TIME

    A 12 @ 5
    glenforest at lorne park
    wed nov 11
    3:30pm*

    B 11 @ 6
    loyola at cawthra
    wed nov 11
    3:30pm*

    C 10 @ 7
    turner fenton at st. edmund campion
    wed nov 11
    3:30pm*

    D 9 @ 8
    mount carmel at st. thomas aquinas
    wed nov 11
    3:30pm*


    QUARTERFINALS

    E Winner D @ 1 d'Youville
    fri nov 13
    3:30pm

    F Winner C @ 2 cardinal leger
    fri nov 13
    3:30pm

    G Winner B @ 3 father goetz
    fri nov 13
    3:30pm

    H Winner A @ 4 notre dame
    fri nov 13
    3:30pm


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    Post by coachblue Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:11 pm

    TIER 2

    FIRST ROUND MATCHUP DATE TIME

    A 12 @ 5
    heart lake at applewood
    wed nov 11
    3:30pm*

    B 11 @ 6
    st paul at erindale
    tues nov 10
    3:30pm*

    C 10 @ 7
    iona at ascension
    tues nov 10

    3:30pm*

    D 9 @ 8
    ste famille at xavier
    wed nov 11
    3:30pm*


    QUARTERFINALS

    E Winner D vs 1 st. marcellinus
    fri nov 13
    1:45pm

    F Winner C vs 2 mayfield
    fri nov 13
    3:30pm

    G Winner B vs 3 st. joseph
    fri nov 13
    3:30pm

    H Winner A vs 4 chinguacousy
    fri nov 13
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    Post by HooptownGTA Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:24 pm

    Would the semi-finals be??

    Winner E vs. Winner F
    Winner G vs. Winner H


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    Post by Xavier Rimrocker Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:42 pm

    The semi-finals are winner E vs H and winner F vs G.


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    Post by coachblue Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:28 pm

    Sorry...

    TIER 1

    SEMI FINALS

    I Winner E vs Winner H
    Tues nov 17
    tba

    J Winner F vs Winner G
    tues nov 17
    tba


    FINAL

    K Winner I vs Winner J
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    Post by coachblue Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:29 pm

    TIER 2

    SEMI FINALS

    I Winner E vs Winner H
    at
    tues nov 17
    tba

    J Winner F vs Winner G
    at
    tues nov 17
    tba


    FINAL

    K Winner I vs Winner J
    at
    thurs nov 19
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    Post by coachblue Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:31 pm

    let the predictions begin...


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    Post by coachblue Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:32 pm

    AA final

    St. Paul at Ascension

    AAA final

    Iona at Applewood


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    Post by coachblue Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:29 pm

    DATE AWAY TEAM AWAY SCORE HOME TEAM HOME SCORE
    2009-11-11 Heart Lake 19 @ Applewood 32
    2009-11-11 Ste. Famille 31 @ St. Francis Xavier 25
    2009-11-11 Glenforest 21 @ Lorne Park 56
    2009-11-11 Loyola 45 @ Cawthra 47
    2009-11-11 Turner Fenton 16 @ St. Edmund Campion 67
    2009-11-11 Our Lady of Mount Carmel 44 @ St. Thomas Aquinas 45

    Erindale 37, St. Paul 25

    Ascension 50, Iona 36

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    Tier 1

    Aquinas at D'Youville
    Campion at Leger
    Cawthra at Goetz
    Lorne Park at Notre Dame

    Tier 2

    Ste Famille at St Marcellinus
    Ascension at Mayfield
    Erindale at St Joseph
    Applewood at Chingacousy


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    Post by Mu2 Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:42 pm

    It's kind of sad that the 'real' top 4 peel teams have to play eachother in the quarter finals (Aq vs d'Y , Leg vs Cam)
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    Post by coachblue Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:34 pm

    ROPSSAA AAA Girls Championship

    Iona 42, Applewood 39

    Congrats to Iona!!


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    Post by Alwaysthetruth Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:05 am

    I post this previously but maybe in the wrong area, which was the sticky, but anyway just wanted to make this point.

    Its a sad sad thing that these four team are playing each other in the quarter-finals for Peel. These are the top four teams in Peel hands down.
    Who is the convener/organizer for PEEL, its a shame. No disrespect but they definitely need to rethink their format through or something. Create the best games in the final four rather than half of the best games in the quarter-finals.

    St. Thomas Aquinas @ d'Youville

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    Post by coachblue Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:07 am

    I'm the convenor...warren.williams@peelsb.com


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    Post by HooptownGTA Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:40 am

    I don't envy Coach Warren. Peel has 45 teams spread out in six divisions. What is difficult, is that you don't want to change the rules every season to accomindate whatever teams are good in a particular year. You have to try and come up with whatever solution you think is fair for all 45 teams, and stick with it year in & year out. Some years it will work out and some years it won't. Like I said, I don't envy the convenor.

    What I think that Peel should consider is the backdoor game at the 4A level.


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    Post by Xavier Rimrocker Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:55 am

    Just in case anyone thinks the situation is Coach Williams' "fault", it is all the coaches in Peel who attend the pre-season meeting and the end of season meeting who share the responsibility of proposing and voting on various rules, including those involving the playoffs. ROPSSAA's full time co-ordinators also play a role.

    (I use "fault" in quotes because the issue isn't due to any errors; it's simply an issue of Geography, as mentioned in my post on the other Peel playoffs thread.)

    Count me among those who wished Peel used a back door game when there are four AAAA teams in the semi-finals.


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    Post by Alwaysthetruth Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:47 pm

    Pardon my ignorance Coach Blue, Xavier Rimrocker and Hooptown but what do you guys mean on a backdoor game.

    In no way was I trying to lay fault or blame on the convenor. PEEL basketball is ran smoothly year after year.

    I guess what I am proposing, is a seeding 1 through 12 in the playoffs based on a Peel coaches poll rather than a 1-6 then a 7-12.

    For example, all peel coaches must be aware that Leger, DY, STA, and Camp where the top 4 teams based on league records and tournaments participated in.

    Thus this would give the playoffs more merit based on how good these teams were during the year. So no, gentleman do you need to change the playoff structure from year to year or do we have to change the division. We are quite aware that teams and the shift of talent changes year after year. But if you went to a coaches poll of the 12 participating teams we could rank the best teams of that year 1 through 5 rather than having them
    1, 2,6,7 just because they had the strongest division.

    Don't mean to ruffle any feathers coachblue, I am sure you are well respected in Peel as a convenor but I think a better format which I have presented could be look at. Just an opinion.

    Cheers on the responses gentleman.
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    Post by Xavier Rimrocker Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:06 pm

    A backdoor game would involve the loser of the championship game playing the team that the champion beat in the semi-finals for the second OFSAA AAAA berth. It would help assure that the two best teams among the final four advance to OFSAA.


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    Post by rvd1018 Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:14 pm

    St. Thomas Aquinas 34 @ St. Marguerite d'Youville 42

    Cawthra 28 @ Father Goetz 53
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    Post by coachblue Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:34 pm

    We should definitely discuss the possibility of having a backdoor game at the post-season meeting. I actually favour having a ranking and seeding committee but we would need to recruit the right individuals to carry out such a mandate.


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