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    Post by Coach Clement Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:58 am

    In the course of accepting volunteers to help with next year's Coaches Poll, I received this list from a coach whom I respect. I thought it was quite accurate.

    What is your opinion?

    I have cut and pasted from his e-mail.

    Here is my final analysis for the year 2008/2009:

    1. Father Henry Carr A
    2. Vaughan S.S
    3. Pickering
    4. John Paul II
    5. Notre Dame (Ajax)
    6. Mother Teresa
    7. Henry Carr B
    8. Eastern
    9. Oakwood
    10. Richview
    11. Dunbarton
    12. D'Youville
    13. Xavier
    14. St. Jean de Brebeuf CHS (Vaughan)
    15. Newmarket HS
    16. STL

    Honourable Mentions: Westhill, Sandalwood, Father Goetz, Campion, BCSS

    After the top 10, I believe their is a log jam of GOOD teams between 10 - 25 that can be debated. Each of these teams can compete with the top 10 but must play well to win. I believe The top 6 teams are solid in their ranking.


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    Post by panathas Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:34 am

    Very good ranking. Its tough to rank after the top 10, as there is alot of parity.
    Here is some interesting information for people to consider:

    In the York region play-offs
    STL defeated Brebeuf
    Newmarket defeated STL

    In the Brampton Centennial tournament
    Campion defeated STL
    BCSS defeated Campion
    Sandalwood defeated STL and BCSS

    I personally think West Hill is top 16.

    Possible Peel Region Q-final match-ups:
    D'Youville vs Sandalwood
    Campion vs Xavier
    Goetz vs Brampton Centennial


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    Post by Coach Clement Tue Mar 03, 2009 1:46 pm

    I am not 100% in agreement myself.

    I do think Newmarket deserves to be there.

    Also maybe BCSS should be in the top 16.

    The problem for a lot of teams was consistency but maybe that means there is greater parity in Junior this year! Smile


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    Post by panathas Tue Mar 03, 2009 2:12 pm

    Coach Clement

    By no means I my arguing that we should be top 16.
    I was just listing interesting results.


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    Post by Coach Clement Tue Mar 03, 2009 2:26 pm

    I understand that but I think you are very possibly Top 16


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    Post by Dwill#8 Tue Mar 03, 2009 2:36 pm

    is brebeuf the york brebeuf?

    1. Father Henry Carr A
    2. Vaughan S.S
    3. Pickering
    4. Notre Dame
    5. Pope
    6. Mother Teresa
    7. Eastern
    8. Henry Carr B
    9. Oakwood
    10. Dunbarton
    11. Richview
    12. D'Youville
    13. Xavier
    14. Newmarket HS
    15. West Hill
    16. Sandalwood

    HM: STL, Brebeuf, Goetz, BCSS, Campion
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    Post by Zen Master Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:53 pm

    Zens List

    D'Ville

    Westhill Defeated D'ville
    D'ville lost to Holy Trinity (Oakville)

    Xavier defeated Richview in the Rim Rocker so I would have to say they maybe in the wrong spot also

    Eastern - Too High

    Eastern lost to - Monsignor Johnson
    - St. Francis Xavier

    So I think your list needs some work in the middle for sure

    Zens List:

    1. Father Henry Carr A
    2. Vaughan S.S
    3. Pickering
    4. John Paul II
    5. Notre Dame (Ajax)
    6. Mother Teresa
    7. Henry Carr B
    8. Eastern
    9. Oakwood
    10. Richview
    11. Dunbarton
    12. D'Youville
    13. Xavier
    14. St. Jean de Brebeuf CHS (Vaughan)
    15. Newmarket HS
    16. STL

    Same as Coach Bob's
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    Post by bronbron23 Tue Mar 03, 2009 4:05 pm

    1. Father Henry Carr A
    2. Vaughan S.S
    3. John Paull II
    4. Pickering
    5. Henry Carr B
    6. Mother Teresa
    7. Notre Dame (Ajax)
    8. Eastern
    9. Oakwood
    10. Richview
    11. Dunbarton
    12. D'Youville
    13. Xavier
    14. St. Jean de Brebeuf CHS (Vaughan)
    15. Newmarket HS
    16. STL
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    Post by Zen Master Tue Mar 03, 2009 9:52 pm

    Pope 3rd? I dont think that is correct, even though Pope beat Pickering in the SBA Semis, they lost to many games compared to Pickering - I believe its a split win, So Definitely Pickering doesn't lose their spot

    ND (Ajax) - 8th? - They Beat MT in the SBA Tournament

    Henry Carr B - Lost To MT and need to be 7th overall

    Mt - definitely 6th or 5th
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    Post by Mu2 Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:07 am

    4 York region teams? jokes...... STL is not that good, BCSS and Sandalwood are better than them. d'Youville should be higher as they trounched Oakwood by 20, barely lost to pickering, and their b team beat richview. Pope is a bit high.
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    Post by ball4life Wed Mar 04, 2009 12:26 pm

    Zen Master, how many games did Pope lose?
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    Post by Kassius123 Wed Mar 04, 2009 4:13 pm

    i defenitly dont think newmarket should have been in york teir 1 finals with vaughn, i dont know how they beat STL but they got beat by about 45 with ease by vaughn
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    Post by yhadhurn24 Wed Mar 04, 2009 4:24 pm

    Newmarket was the 2nd best team in York hands down, they beat STL twice..
    did ure skewl vs Vaughan? if they did they probably would of been beat by more then 50. so stop saying Newmarket is lucky. Are u the 2nd best school in york tier 1?
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    Post by BAisdoodoo Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:39 pm

    No York Region school should be up there except for Vaughan. They can't even beat a press. Period!
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    Post by bronbron23 Thu Mar 05, 2009 4:33 pm

    [quote="BAisdoodoo"]No York Region school should be up there except for Vaughan. They can't even beat a press. Period![/quote]

    totally agree
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    Post by Kassius123 Fri Mar 06, 2009 6:41 pm

    Vaughn juniors breezed through york region this year, it was way to easy
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    Post by peelball Sat Mar 07, 2009 4:47 pm

    Xavier beat ND ajax, eastern commerce, richview, stl,campion.. They lost to MT by 5 but were missing two starters. They are now in the semis of peel. They should be a top 10 team
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    Post by T-money Sat Mar 07, 2009 6:40 pm

    how come Vaughan S.S is befor pickering now on hooptown home page it say PHS is 2nd and vaughan is 3rd
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    Post by Xavier Rimrocker Sat Mar 07, 2009 9:26 pm

    Shouldn't a final top ten for the season be determined at the end of the season? Peel's playoffs continue for another week and I believe there is one more significant tournament.


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    Post by Coach Clement Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:34 am

    These are the stats for St. Michael's College. It is obvious from this that they should be up there possibly Top Five.

    32-3

    Loss to Pickering by 6
    Close loss to Notre Dame Ajax in their tournament championship game
    Beat Pickering, Richview (twice), Sandalwood, Emery

    Close loss to Carr B at Metros

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    Post by Coach Clement Sun Mar 08, 2009 9:14 am

    [quote="Xavier Rimrocker"]Shouldn't a final top ten for the season be determined at the end of the season? Peel's playoffs continue for another week and I believe there is one more significant tournament.[/quote]

    Point taken!

    One more tournament? Help me on that one.


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    Post by whatupdawg Sun Mar 08, 2009 9:49 am

    has st mikez playd eastrn, pope, mt, vaun, carrA, dunbrton, oakwod....did dey
    beat pikerin A or B team??
    wer dey in rimrocka, hoop it up, mt trny, carr trny, sba trny??
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    Post by Coach Clement Sun Mar 08, 2009 10:08 am

    dawg,

    No they were not in a lot of the big tournaments.

    They beat Pickering A (who were a little undermanned), Richview (a very solid team) and played ND close. That indicates to me that they can play.

    They deserve consideration imo.

    Another team that is a little under the radar is Holy Trinity (Oakville)


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    Post by Coach Melnik Sun Mar 08, 2009 10:15 am

    Results are important, but I think teams that competed at the best tournaments with the best teams on a consistent basis deserve some special attention.
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    Post by Coach Clement Sun Mar 08, 2009 10:20 am

    I agree it would be hard to be 32-3 if you did.

    Its strength of schedule (like the RPI).

    Some teams lost a lot more games but they were facing high-quality opposition on a regular basis.

    I may have been off-the-mark saying Top Five but lower Top Ten maybe!


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