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    Post by steve.nash1 on Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:15 pm

    Anyone???
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    Post by Xavier Rimrocker on Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:38 pm

    Yes.

    Prep programs are considered club programs in Canada and are treated the same as any OBA or AUA program. OFSAA and the regional associations do not concern themselves with club programs, much like many other high school sports. It's no different than a player on Xavier also playing for the Mississauga Monarchs during the season.

    What throws people off is the school affiliation of some of these programs. (e.g. White Oaks and Next level, YAACE and Downsview) While the players will all study at the same school the basketball teams are not considered to be part of the school.

    Bear in mind that I am only talking about the Canadian programs. The US ones are viewed differently from state to state and eligibility upon return to Canada would vary depending on the legal status of their residency while away.

    The only one which I am not sure about is Metro Prep. They are a true school team but since they do not play in an OFSAA-sanctioned league, I do not know how they are viewed in terms of participation.


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    Post by ballhard41 on Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:39 pm

    so for example a player on the YAACE prep team and going to school at downsview can play on the Downsview school team ?
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    Post by Xavier Rimrocker on Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:41 pm

    Right now there are no rules at the OFSAA level preventing this, as long as they meet other eligibility requirements (age, years since entering high school, transfer from another school, etc.).

    Whether or not OFSAA addresses this at the next AGM comes down to whether or not the reps believe that prep is simply club ball dressed up a little fancier or an actual school program.


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    Post by Coach Melnik on Mon Nov 22, 2010 8:01 pm

    I beg to differ. In the TDCAA, if a prep program exists, a student-athlete cannot compete for both the high school team and the prep team. Any self-respecting league would initiate the same restrictions.

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    Post by acie earl 55 on Mon Nov 22, 2010 8:57 pm

    How does a league "self-respect"? Whatupdawg, please clarify in non-english if you will!
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    Post by Xavier Rimrocker on Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:44 pm

    Coach Melnik wrote:I beg to differ. In the TDCAA, if a prep program exists, a student-athlete cannot compete for both the high school team and the prep team. Any self-respecting league would initiate the same restrictions.

    Coach Melnik

    Coach, is there something specific in the basketball playing regulations of the TDCAA that you could share? The only restriction of players playing for outside teams in the TDCAA Constitution are boys hockey and girls hockey. (Bylaw IV Section E)

    Nothing else in Bylaw IV appears to preclude participation in a prep program so anything you could provide would be helpful for players who are confused about this issue.


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    Post by kobee14 on Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:48 pm

    what if someone transfered to a school second semester and has not played basketball at any school for the previous year and a half would they be eligible to play for that school if the head coach of the school allows it??? even though the season is halfway done?
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    Post by Xavier Rimrocker on Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:06 pm

    kobee14 wrote:what if someone transfered to a school second semester and has not played basketball at any school for the previous year and a half would they be eligible to play for that school if the head coach of the school allows it??? even though the season is halfway done?

    That's a good question. In terms of basic OFSAA transfer eligibility they would be fine but there would be at least three potential problems:

    - the question of whether the next transfer eligibility deadline is before the end of the season
    - whether or not the league in question allows additions to the team eligibility list after the submission deadline (I know that ROPSSAA does not)
    - the minimum number of games a player must be on the roster in order to be eligible for the playoffs (in ROPSSAA, it is at least half of the games though some regions only require at least one game)


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    Post by kobee14 on Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:23 pm

    what is the submission deadline?? and when is it?? and its only for ropssaa??
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    Post by Xavier Rimrocker on Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:31 pm

    You will have to ask someone who is knowledgeable about the deadline dates for the league in question. Most leagues set the deadline just before the start of the regular season. This is when the roster of players has to be submitted to the league, along with all eligibility info.


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    Post by kobee14 on Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:39 pm

    so this means if a student is in ROPSSAA district, and if he/ she is attending the school in january even with head coaches approval they wont be eliginle to play due to ROPSSAA rules and submission deadline?
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    Post by kobee14 on Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:46 pm

    and who can i ask for more info??
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    Post by coachc on Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:32 am

    This is likely a unique problem to the gta as most associations outside the gta do not have prep teams but do have club teams. In those cities, teams with players who play club have a considerable advantage but no one argues their eligibility. Coach Melnik, perhaps we can look at this from a different angle. If a player attended another school for a focus program (a high skills major for those that are familiar with the terminology) such as construction, emergency services etc, they would be considered students of their home school even though they attend the other school. In these situations, these kids can play ball for their home school if they wanted. If we look at prep schools as a high skills major for basketball, then should the players be allowed to play basketball for their home school? The consistent answer is to say "yes". Now perhaps you do not look at these prep schools as high skills major for basketball, but I really do not see much of a difference.
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    Post by Coach Melnik on Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:21 pm

    I am simply conveying what restrictions the TDCAA placed on the proposed prep team at FHC. I agree with it. Student-athletes can compete for their school, but it should be either the high school team (if they are transfer eligible) or the prep team (to which there are no eligibility restrictions) but not both.

    At this point, it will be up to the individual leagues, but I am sure OFSAA is already working on their stance.

    What I also find most interesting, is that when FHC announced the plans for the prep team, we were bombarded with accusations of attempting to stack the high school team. Now that others have done it, many seem to be in favour of it.
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    Post by Eagle1 on Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:23 pm

    Programs like "Next Level Prep" and REDA are not real "Prep schools". They are not academic institutions with teachers and Ontario curriculum being taught (with credits being granted) - unlike their American counterparts. They are nothing more than elite rep teams.

    The transfer rules only apply to students who have attended another high school in the previous 12 months. The programs I mentioned are not schools. IF they do attend the local high school, the the regular transfer rules should apply.
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    Post by iloveball on Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:35 pm

    how do u even get in to a prep program in Canada for basketball.

    sorry i new to this about prep schools in canada
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    Post by iloveball on Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:37 pm

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