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    Post by TheBench on Thu Nov 13, 2014 6:58 pm

    Just caught wind of a horrible situation within York Region…

    Due to a massive oversight by YRAA, #2 seed St. Augustine (Markham, ON) was awarded the ‘AAA’ OFSAA berth to Windsor following their 67-18 quarterfinal win over Brother Andre, only to be stripped of the opportunity less than a week later.

    The team was confirmed as the YRAA representative by the league office as they were only one of two ‘AAA’ schools who qualified for the playoffs at Tier 1 (#3 Sacred Heart being the second rep). Sacred Heart was upset in the quarterfinals, thus automatically qualifying St. A’s based on their advancement to the following round. AGAIN, something that was confirmed by YRAA.

    St. A’s had already registered for ‘AAA’ OFSAA and of course, the girls were absolutely thrilled about finally reaching their hard earned goal. Perhaps it was with this understanding of already accomplishing their season goal (OFSAA berth), that they played without a sense of urgency in their semifinal upset to #6 St. Maximillian. A team who they had beaten twice on the year. Not to say St. Max is undeserving of their win; they executed their game plan and most certainly deserved it. Watching from the crowd, something just seemed noticeably different with the girls on St. A’s as their focus was not where it needed to be. It’s understandable though, this is a team that had already secured their berth to OFSAA…or so they thought.

    It has now come through the wire that YRAA, as late as Wednesday night, had reached out to St.A’s administration to notify them of a “mixup in the office” and that ‘AAAA’ Newmarket had actually appealed back in May of last year, to be given ‘AAA’ status. This change and appeal process was never made known until Wednesday night and now because of it, YRAA is saying that St. Augustine is no longer headed to OFSAA.

    In YRAA (and other OFSAA regulated leagues), schools that are 10% or less above the enrollment cutoff have the ability to appeal for a lower classification provided it is population based – not competitive.

    Regardless, how is it possible to screw up this bad that within the YRAA’s own constitutional documents, they still list Newmarket as ‘AAAA’ (http://bit.ly/1yCnBpT – Appendix F) and failed to notify other teams about this decision? Had they done so, other teams could have declared their intent for a higher classification or adjusted their strategy (ie. St. A's treating the semifinals for what it was, a berth to OFSAA)

    More importantly, how was Newmarket granted their appeal to begin with? It’s not as if their status as a ‘AAAA’ school has hindered them in any way… tonight they are going for their 3rd straight York Region Championship and boast a group of girls that play for the 2013/14 OBA Gold Medalist (Midget D1) YNBA Avengers and an AAU team ranked 7th nationally. On what grounds could they have possibly been granted their appeal? Even if based on the population issue, what exactly has this accomplished?

    To make matters worse, I along with several others close to the St. A’s staff/parents, heard parents from Newmarket say that the team was thinking of going ‘AAA’ because the coaching staff was upset at their ‘AAAA’ OFSAA seed and were knocked around in last year’s event. Upon hearing this, YRAA was again contacted by the coaches at St. Augustine and asked to clarify that they were in fact the AAA representative and specifically mentioned the talk from the Newmarket supporters. The response remained the same, St. A’s was the qualifier.  

    Normally, I wouldn’t bring up these findings on a platform like this but I have been a follower of YRAA Basketball since back in my playing days and am a massive fan of the St. A’s coaching staff and players. I know their head coach personally and he is one of the very best coaches in the high school game (backed up by multiple TDCAA championships, OFSAA medals, etc. from his time at MT) That being said, don’t take this post as just my bias opinion. I am not a parent of any girl on that team, nor do I have any real tie to that school. In fact, if you look at my past comments on this site, I have actually come to the defense of Newmarket on more than one occasion but I have never seen such incompetence in all my life following the high school game.

    YRAA has been an absolute joke dating back to my time as a player in the early-2000s but over the years, the league has morphed into one big colossal failure. This however takes the cake and as an outsider, it is reprehensible what has transpired in the past 36 hours. One thing is for sure, I do not envy the coaching staff at St. A’s having to inform their players that YRAA is now taking away their berth to OFSAA.

    Shame on you, YRAA.
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    Post by Coach Kr on Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:43 am

    Dont catholic and public get separate berths?
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    Post by TheBench on Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:54 am

    No, York Region amalgamates Catholic and Public schools.
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    Post by panathas on Fri Nov 14, 2014 5:14 pm

    Why doesn't Newmarket play Augustine for the right to go?


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    Post by TheBench on Fri Nov 14, 2014 10:04 pm

    Newmarket won the YRAA Championship so they deserve their spot outright. The issue isn't with them, it's with YRAA and the whole appeal process. The only thing Newmarket failed to do was notify other schools about their intentions which is disappointing but still, the blame falls on the YRAA.

    This situation has proved that this administration is incapable of doing their job and stepping up when they've made mistakes. This incompetence can't stand and YRAA can't just brush this off with a simple sorry.
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    Post by Raptorsphan on Sat Nov 15, 2014 12:00 am

    I do agree that this is a horrible situation. I feel twice as bad for St. A's because nothing is gonna come of this because its girls basketball. The simply sorry is going to prove to be enough and everyone will forget about it come next year. Had this Happened in boys basketball all hell would break loose. However, Let's give the YRAA a bit of a break. The coordinator has been on the job for all but 2.5 months and the last time I checked he (Mark A.) is human. Sidenote, When you mention he is one of the best coaches in the high school game, Ron has always been surrounded by greatness at MT- any one that coaches in that area will experience that kinda success. It's like saying Phil Jackson is the greatest coach of all time- com'mon man- if Sam Mitchell sat behind the bench during the Jordan era and Kobe's prime he would be the greatest coach of all time. The real shame on the YRAA is the transfer policy and how so many kids get around it. To be continued...
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    Post by jrcoach30 on Sat Nov 15, 2014 9:12 pm

    With only 15 Teams registered at this point, maybe St. A's is still given a spot.... but I'm assuming the ROPSSA team will still register.
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    Post by TheBench on Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:14 am

    OFSAA has already come out to say they won't be doing anything. York Region was asked to submit an appeal to OFSAA on behalf of St. Augustine, to allow the girls to go to the banquet and participate on the friendly side of the draw (to not impact the medal side) but YRAA refused to support it.

    Raptorsphan, care to defend the YRAA on this decision too?
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    Post by Cuse11 on Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:38 am

    Raptorsphan wrote:I do agree that this is a horrible situation. I feel twice as bad for St. A's because nothing is gonna come of this because its girls basketball. The simply sorry is going to prove to be enough and everyone will forget about it come next year. Had this Happened in boys basketball all hell would break loose. However, Let's give the YRAA a bit of a break. The coordinator has been on the job for all but 2.5 months and the last time I checked he (Mark A.) is human. Sidenote, When you mention he is one of the best coaches in the high school game, Ron has always been surrounded by greatness at MT- any one that coaches in that area will experience that kinda  success. It's like saying Phil Jackson is the greatest coach of all time- com'mon man- if Sam Mitchell sat behind the bench during the Jordan era and Kobe's prime he would be the greatest coach of all time. The real shame on the YRAA is the transfer policy and how so many kids get around it. To be continued...

    You must work for this league because from the sounds of things you seem pretty outta touch with basketball. Do you even know anything about MT?? Or coach? To make your comparison with Sam Mitchell and Phil shows you know little about the NBA game too. Coach has built programs time and time again so dont act like hes only been successful because hes had great talent.

    OFSAA STEP UP AND DO YOUR PART!! YORK REGION CLEARLY ISNT
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    Post by Xavier Rimrocker on Mon Nov 17, 2014 9:24 pm

    This is a problem when reps for smaller classifications are based on results that aren't necessarily head to head in the playoffs. Perhaps the solution to prevent this in the future is to go to classification playoffs, rather than tier 1 and tier 2? They've started doing this in ROPSSAA senior boys basketball and I think most people in the region are much happier.


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    Post by Raptorsphan on Mon Nov 17, 2014 11:38 pm

    Cuse11...I am a University student that plays and coaches. I've been around the game for a while. Do you even know anything about MT? I know that they do a great job of 'recruiting' as do many of the top teams in the GTA. I know that basketball is a priority and to a certain extent it is more important that getting an education for some of these kids. I know that basketball players get preferential treatment. I know this because a few of my friends were recruited to go there. I know if he was not surrounded by greatness that he figured out a way for greatness to surround him. It's totally legal to recruit in the NBA, NCAA, but high school? This is basketball...a few years down the road these kids have nothing.
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    Post by coachc92 on Tue Nov 18, 2014 1:02 am

    Raptorsphan wrote:I do agree that this is a horrible situation. I feel twice as bad for St. A's because nothing is gonna come of this because its girls basketball. The simply sorry is going to prove to be enough and everyone will forget about it come next year. Had this Happened in boys basketball all hell would break loose. However, Let's give the YRAA a bit of a break. The coordinator has been on the job for all but 2.5 months and the last time I checked he (Mark A.) is human. Sidenote, When you mention he is one of the best coaches in the high school game, Ron has always been surrounded by greatness at MT- any one that coaches in that area will experience that kinda  success. It's like saying Phil Jackson is the greatest coach of all time- com'mon man- if Sam Mitchell sat behind the bench during the Jordan era and Kobe's prime he would be the greatest coach of all time. The real shame on the YRAA is the transfer policy and how so many kids get around it. To be continued...

    I really don't like posting on HoopTown unless I need to. After reading this thread, I feel like I need to.

    Firstly, I agree everyone makes mistakes. It happens, but what made this situation despicable is that the YRAA convener could have fixed it but decided to take the easy way out by saying sorry and brushing it under the rug.

    Secondly, your comparison between Phil Jackson and Sam Mitchell is utterly ridiculous. Go read "Eleven Rings" and perhaps you'll realize slightly the difficulty of managing million dollar egos.

    Now with your comments toward Coach Burrows. I'm just going to lay the facts. Coach Burrows has been to OFSAA 14 times. He has multiple TDCAA champions. He has medaled at OFSAA on various occasions and the most significant being in 2006 capturing AAAA Gold. He has had multiple offers to coach at the university level going back to the early 2000s.

    With regards to your comments "I know if he was not surrounded by greatness that he figured out a way for greatness to surround him."
    Let me tell you something you don't know. In 2011, Coach Burrows started coaching the boys at St. Augustine CHS. In the span of three years he took a mid-low Teir 2 team and made them the YRAA AAA OFSAA rep. Not by recruiting, but putting in countless hours every week all year long. Developing and working with these athletes and making them basketball players, boys and girls. Another fact you didn't know was that 11/12 members of the boys team last year were on the honour roll. Not bad for a Coach that thinks basketball is a "greater" priority than education. If you know Coach Burrows, like the way you make it seem by your posts you would know he preaches the importance of being a student first followed by being the athlete. By coming on here and saying "I know the MT program and know what Coach Burrows is about because some of my friends played there" is comical. Get your facts straight before posting fatuous statements.

    Lastly, why boast about "being around the game for a while" when you're still in university. You have lots to learn man. Rule #1: Be Humble.
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    Post by Raptorsphan on Tue Nov 18, 2014 2:14 pm

    You're right I'm just hating.
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    Post by Raptorsphan on Tue Nov 18, 2014 2:31 pm

    and phil jackson is the greatest manager ever as indicated in that book. and yes i have read it.
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    Post by Kobe23 on Sun Nov 23, 2014 3:24 pm

    What a horrible situation. Any updates? The YRAA should have doubled checked...triple checked if he is new. There is no excuse for something like this. Now what?

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